10 04 08 Llam and Roy's blog


Civilization as a mistake

LLAM:  Glad we made a little time for this!

ROY:  Mm yeh, it is overdue.  Probably for the best, what we've been talking about since the last entry has evolved.

LLAM:  Ahh, the keyword!  "Evolve."  As in, "helping all sentient beings evolve!"

ROY:  Our readers will be at a loss for a few moments, but yeh.  I'm thinking of the process especially in regard to the Telepathy Experiment.

LLAM:  I think that I've absorbed a bit of human viewpoint, sometimes I think the process is a bit wasteful.  It seems like it could be more efficient.  In the long run I know better.  "Scientific process" or protocols or whatever are economical, efficient.  Especially with our focus on Telepathy.  But without any scientific protocols whatsoever we seem to have accomplished something.

ROY:  Asking why evolution proceeds in such a stumbling and blind manner is like asking "why are we here?"

LLAM:  The only real answer to THAT is because we aren't THERE! (grins)  Do you think that the process is genuine, that is,, that the universe is actually governed by it?  That it's a kind of law?

ROY:  It's all in what we mere humans perceive.  We observe what we think is process.  But it seems to be the way things work, only when we go to track it it seems unkempt, messy, yet at the end of the whole thing, something new pops out.  And I'm reasonably certain that our human proclivity for watching things alters the progression of any evolutionary activity.  This is why I think it is good that we let the Telepathy experiment go with minimal recording, that we keep it to "it worked for this person," maybe with some note of how many percent they "got right" in Mike's Learn Telepathy Quickly program on the IM.  The point is, everyone who has taken part in the LTQ has gotten over 25% correct, I think the lowest score was 34% correct.

LLAM:  The odds of that by human statistical method is out of this world.  I think this is what pleases me personally, it works each time.

ROY:  It boggles my mind when it works each time, that one fellow who got like 84% correct, it's....how?  I think of all the usual dumb questions! (smiles)

LLAM:  But it is working.

ROY:  Yes, it is.  And with me attempting to teach telepathy in front of a group in a few days, we'll have some out-of-Community exposure and reaction, I think we need it at this point.

LLAM:  Oh, I agree.  Our aim - we angels - is that this thing gets loose in the public domain and others make of it what they will.  I see in a year, eighteen months, there will be people using telepathy independently of the Community.  For better or worse. (smiles)

ROY:  For my part, from my persepctive, I seem to be seeing the "worse!"  (laughs)  I doubt very much that a number of governemnts and multinationals will be happy that there are people in touch without the usual controllable media.  It is a real threat to any controlling structure.  If you don't know what your citizens and employees are doing, you're vulnerable.  At least from here!  And you know that I think civilization itself was a mistake in the first place!  (laughs)

LLAM:  You might be surprised that I agree with you.  For those who are not familiar with this idea of yours, please go on for a bit.

ROY:  This all started for me back in the days when I was going over the various accounts of "history" as presented in the cuneiform, hieroglyphic and Biblical literature.  It occured to me that the "Epic of Gilgamesh" and the story of Noah's flood in the Bible, and the related literature were actually telling the same tale but from two radically different viewpoints.  The Sumerian/Babylonian versions are told by city-dwellers who think that the nomadic peoples around them were little more than semi-tame animals, and bumpkinish too boot.  The stories that survive in the Bible are told by nomads who think the city-dwellers to be decadant and soft.  You'll note with interest that the people who built the Tower of Babel (as told in the Bible) were cursed for their presumptive attitudes and labors.  Why was that?  A city like Sumer was a threat to the nomadic way of life.  In the end the city dwellers won - suddenly there are Biblical characters living in and ruling over cities of their own.

LLAM:  Many of those "cities" were little more than big villages - I'm thinking of Jerusalem.  It was no monstrous citadel, that came in Roman times.

ROY:  There is archaeological research that bears that out, although Mike having told me that some years ago was enough for me; he was there!  But the point of it all was that if you have people living in an urban environment - even a big village - you need some sort of control over them.  Well, needed?  It was desired.  And at that point I think people began to stop paying attention to their natural ability to communicate with their emotions - telepathically.  All of the ancient law collections from the area -  Sumerian, Babylonian and Assyrian - forbid people to exercise what are now called paranormal abilities.

LLAM:  They also forbid the use of magic potions.  Mushrooms, the local ayahuasca.

ROY:  (stares at Llam for a moment)  Well, you know, the wise old hippie saying, "A mind blown is a mind shown."  Now I know you're not going to tell me, and neither is Mike, but here is what I think happened.  People had a fading experience of what we call All That Does, or deity, god, whatever, and the ruling class decided to monopolize the notion of all of that by claiming that they had the direct link to "deity"and that people should obey what these rulers told them.  After all, it came straight from the mouth of god!  Thus all of the nonsense about "false prophets" in the Bible.  But what this did, o Big Blue, was that it created civilization.  And to me, civilization has been an experiment that has failed soundly.  It has never worked because it cannot work.

LLAM:  You're echoing Emma Goldman there.

ROY:  Damned right!  And when Traehmlyn came along with his imagery of the future it initially bugged me out, but I've realized that what he was showing me was post-civilization life on earth.  I do not believe in any of the 2012 apocalypse stuff - most Members and Associates know that - simply because it is already underway.  It has little to do with us fouling the environment, either.  We have; we've made our contribution to C02 and other greenhouse gasses, but the Earth periodically undergoes radical changes with or without us.  Lea had made me laugh in saying that we think too much of ourselves if we think we've wrecked the climate.  But the real apocalypse will be when people cannot live in cities or under governments.  Most of the governments on the planet are in a very shaky position; it would not take much negative economic or military activity to close down a number of them, and the multinationals are not really in a position to take over.  If China suddenly told the USA to "hand over the keys or no more goods," that would be the end of us; if the Turks really got going in the middle east, which seems likely, we would hear little more about Israel, Palestine, Iran, Iraq.  They have the clout, the military wherewithal.

LLAM:  The Russians?

ROY:  If Putin gets annoyed enough, they'll do something.  He's had it with Bush, that much is evident, but so has most of the EU.  Thing is, if there is a major conventional war - very likely - the world's economies are going to go belly up.  People will leave cities.  if there is no garbage collection, the rats would be the first citizens of every large city so smitten.  Without clean water, where do you go?  With trade and commerce shut down, where do you get food?


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