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ROY:  I think that I've had my fill of this 2012 stuff.

LLAM:  (laughs)  And why is that?

ROY:  It's one more fucking apocalypse in the most negative sense possible - you guys are going to hell but we're going to heaven, that's all that it boils down to.

LLAM:  Yet we have an ongoing thing about Traehmlyn's prophecies.  He's engaged us a few times about it now.

ROY:  This is so, but our perspective has been changing on that.  I got caught up in some kind of economic or political apocalypse thing when he first came by -

LLAM:  And environmental also -

ROY: - yeh, the ozone layer's goin buhBYE and all.  But I'm not so sold on that now.  I think a lot of people are jsut gonna pack up and move out.

LLAM:  A massive "hit-the-road-Jack" thing?

ROY:  Yeh, a lotta people are simply fed up with the way the culture, the world is, and being self-sufficient is getting to be a well-known art or craft.  Y'know, "I'll take my laptop, I have my Nano, I have clothes and I'll work for food and sleep on the fly wherever."

LLAM:  There are already quite a number of people who have just walked off the grid.  That Russian kid that wants to remain a hiddden Member -

ROY:  - the one I think is cute, lives in Germany?

LLAM: - yeh, that one, when was the last time you heard from him?

ROY: .......duh............

LLAM:  He's okay, a little hungry, but he's not a citizen anywhwere any more.  Just a guy in a skirt.  You see, the governments of the world have the bulk of the population thinking that they're on top of everyone and they just are not.  The financial resources just aren't there and you can thank that President for that.  He wants to be known as a great warrior and the rest of them want to control us, ain't gonna happen.  Little conflict of purpose there.

ROY: (smiles)  I'm listening.

LLAM:  And so what, am I supposed to now deliver the "true prophecy of the end of the world in 2012?"  Wrong angel, pal.  2012 is going to come and go without much difference and the rest, well, you've all of you got that pretty much figured out.  The ozone is going to keep leaving and sure, someday being out in the sun for more than a few minutes will be a bad thing for your eyes and skin, but there's no date.  Could happen in a year or thirty years.  The economic things you guys outlined are all possibilities but nuclear war is a possibility - and you yourself are pretty fond of saying -

ROY:  - "We've had nuclear weapons since 1944 and haven't obliterated the planet yet and that gives me hope."

LLAM:  You really oughta popularize that one some more.  But they are possibilities, that's all.  Yes, China could suddenly shut us down tomorrow - but that would be a drastic move on their part, they're too busy buying up our scrap steel and aluminum to give a shit, and their internal problems are pretty bad; corruption in government is not limited to the US, UK and Russia.  They can't really keep their people under control very well either.  Their method is to keep them poor and they are well aware of what happened in Russia a century ago, so they make sure there is some economic progress.  In our discussions here you said the UN could possibly intervene in the US, send in troops and arrest Bush for war crimes, but that would take a major effort of co-operation on the part of the nations involved.  That leaves the failure of cities and major economic crashing worldwide.

ROY:  Since Traehmlyn's visit, you know, there are two scenarios we've discussed as far as economic crashing.  One is, one big country goes belly-up and the rest pick up the pieces in a major greed move.  Very possible for the US, the UK, Japan and Italy.  Our leaders economically are Turkey and India.  Oh yeh, China too.  The Turks probably have the best military as well.  No-one notices that.  Scenario two is that one nation goes and the rest follow domino-style, but I now see this as a major improbability.  What could come out of either one of these is some bunch of international corporations grabbing up countries.

LLAM:  (laughs) AOL Japan?

ROY:  Microsoft United Kingdom!  Well, look, one thing which I've thought privately for a long time is that the US could easily have another civil war.  Maybe not a war, but states and cities seceding from the Union.  Manhatten could easily become its own country.  Don't know about Los Angeles, but New York could become another England - an island nation.  Becuase of our political divisions here, the US could easily become like India in the mid-40's, when the Hindus and Muslims separated and then presto!  Pakistan and India!

LLAM:  Even with Gandhi's presence that was a pretty bloody event.  What about the failure of cities?

ROY:  That's a case-by-case thing, some cities have taken care of themselves now and for the future, others just have corrupt governments bleeding them.  Newark, for example.

 

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